"Sometimes I’ll be like, ‘Oh, man, this stuff is too obscure and crazy, and people aren’t going to get it’ but what can you do about that? It’s just the music we make. You can’t cater it, and you can’t play down to people. You can’t assume people are stupid. I’m not going to put in an extra chorus because it’s catchy or take out some bigger words because I think people won’t get them. You just have to say what you want, I guess. At least that’s what I have to tell myself."